Montrose - Daily Press

I live by the hospital too and have also noticed an increase in helicopter activity lately since we have our own medical helicopter service. Lately I have had the good fortune of meeting someone that works for this service. He has been in Montrose training the helicopter EMTs. This is a whole different ball game than being an EMT on solid ground. They have had to make numerous flights both day and night for training purposes. This is why we have been hearing the helicopter fly over us so often. It has nothing to do with the amount of flights that they will do on a daily basis. Maybe the hospital should have communicated this with the people that live in the area. I've found that good communication can keep misunderstandings from happening, or at least try to anyway.

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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Yes, we have had heicopters for years and we have not complained because it is a good and necessarry thing. But it is like folks who live near the fairgrounds finding out that there will be a carnival stationed there full time. The noise issues would now be different. Please think about the impact this increase is having on the neighborhood when there seems to be an alternative. "




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cruiser wrote on Jul 11, 2009 12:44 PM:

" If nobody complained, they would still be using sirens right out of the fire station and sirens right up to the hospital emergency entrance. Surely that would be faster and safer but out of consideration for the neighborhoods and the patients at the hospital they quit. First ideas and easiest ideas aren't always the best ideas. Don't be too proud to re-think. "




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MTJ Citizen wrote on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 PM:

" How many years has there been a helicopter landing at MMH? Many! So now their frequencey has increased - that happens with growth and higher expectations for medical care. All the complainers could move north to Olathe, they only have crop dusters and not medical helicopters. Get over it! "




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Gripegripegripe wrote on Jul 9, 2009 6:55 PM:

" It is what it is! Stop bellyaching, and get over it. Heaven forbid something actually tragic occur!! "




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CRUISER wrote on Jul 9, 2009 5:26 PM:

" Well it sure seems to me that MMH and the board did not do enough work on the details before going ahead with the helicopter project. Lets see if the next board meeting is well attended and if they are open to suggestions. Or are they so sensitive to criticism that they will pretend that nothing can now be done. Sometimes the easy way is not the best way. "




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resident wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 AM:

" Why don't all the people that post their opinions on this blog start going to the Board Meetings? It's time for the community to be proactive. This is your hospital not Quroms. "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 7, 2009 5:14 PM:

" Flights to and from MMH would be same quantity as with chopper based at the hospital. What you wouldn't have is the flights that don't have anything to do with MMH that currently start and end at hospital. You also would not have fuel runs and service flights. Danger? well, crashes do occur. One happened not too long ago near Grand Junction. Pilots will all tell you that landing chopper is dangerous...not like parking a car especially when weather is bad. It takes a few minutes to get patient to roof, doesn't it? "




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Again wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Many of the NEW flights have nothing to do with MMH. There are still flights that originate at the hospital with a MMH patient, and the amount of time it takes for the helo to "power up" and fly to MMH roof from the airport could be critical. Plus then the helo would have to land at MMH and take off again doubling the amount of flights for people to complain about. "




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Native wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:04 AM:

" What danger does the helo impose on the people around the hospital...other then a car crash caused by people looking at the helo rather then the road? The sky is safer then the road, all the more reason the have the helo. I would much rather be speeding through the air then speeding down the road. "




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Cmon wrote on Jul 7, 2009 8:42 AM:

" To 'new neighbor"- I've been here for
30+ years, so I'll give you the scoop. Many years ago our hospital had a reputation of being not so good. Since that time they have bent over backwards to do anything possible to improve their services and reputation. Some people are just stuck in the old mentality. After a recent extended stay there, I can assure you it is a "state of the art" facility. Try to keep your honest and fair perspective, because you are right!! "




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computer1 wrote on Jul 6, 2009 6:45 PM:

" this just makes me want to say a big thank you to all medical personnel and flight staff that is working hard to ensure our community ,and the surrounding communities, lives, and the lives of our loved ones, are saved. medical care on all levels is costly and should be the responsibility of the patient, right?? "




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Alan Bowers wrote on Jul 6, 2009 5:08 PM:

" I'm surprised at the fervor and number of comments from all sides of helicopter issue. Many have been silly and many thoughtful. It highlights my original point that though the process was legal, the hospital did not do right by their neighbors-hence the anger and frustration and confusion. If flight count has increased due to operations that have nothing to do with MMH, why CAN'Tcopter with flight and medical crews be based at airport? They could still be at MMH in a matter of minutes. Worth discussing? "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 6, 2009 4:42 PM:

" If so many of the new flights have nothing to do with MMH then I really see no reason that EMTs and flight crews could not be sitting at the airport waiting for calls. If the helicopter was needed at MMH, they could be there faster than a patient could be brought from bed to roof. If flights had nothing to do with MMH, we wouldn't be subjected to noise and danger in the neighborhood for these flights. "




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Again wrote on Jul 6, 2009 1:52 PM:

" SO the helo cost patients no more now than it did before. Extra flight are not due to irresponsible doctors, the helo is picking up people that St. Mary's used to, or could not due to other flights. Many of the flights have nothing to do with MMH other than the helo is stationed there. To "New neighbor" the most vocal are those who have a grip. The vast majority of patients are satisfied with the MMH(just look at the surveys over the last 4-5yrs. "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 6, 2009 12:55 PM:

" I think theEMTs that are stationed at the fire station do an admirable job even though they are not sitting around the hospital when a call comes in. Somehow, they work it out just fine-but they aren't MMH... "




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Pat McDain wrote on Jul 6, 2009 12:14 PM:

" The additional noise and activity is part of doing business when a helicopter service is based at a particular location.

As far as the efficacy of care, being in a particular location does not guarantee a rapid response. Did you know that when you call for the helicopter in Montrose or Durango, you are speaking with someone in California? "




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Annie wrote on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 AM:

" to me it's simple ~ get the medical care needed and put up with the noise. "




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cant beleive this wrote on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM:

" I cant beleive people are complaining about the noise of the helicopter,I hope you never need your life saved!
I do not live in Montrose but about a hour away and this helicopter has already been here a few times to fly someone out...(our hospital doesnt have a trama center) there have been many lives lost because of the fact we were unable to get a helicopter here in time or at all for that matter. We are very grateful to have the availabilty f the copter and its medics!!! "




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New neighbor wrote on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 AM:

" We are fairly new to the area but we wonder why there is so much distrust and outright disdain for the local hospital. It looks like a state of the art facility. There also seems to be some fairly resentful feelings from the hospital towards the community. Can somebody fill us in on what's going on here? "




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explainer wrote on Jul 6, 2009 9:20 AM:

" If its only ten times more flights, thats a big increase. Why? Because Care Flight can't make money on four flights a month. They can on forty. They bid the contract to grow the business. The copter is there, its "free", so doctors don't hesitate. Send the Care Flight. Insurance will pay for it. Rates go up-so what? There is no incentive to NOT use it. SURELY MMH will manage flight operations just as well as the rest of our facility...it is OUR facility you know... "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 6, 2009 8:29 AM:

" @ Again,

Just because there is no direct cost to the hospital does not justify calling a service >free<! People should not expect to ride the helicopter free of charge.

So far as I know patients will be charged according to a standard fee schedule - no foundation is paying out of its endowment.

Free to the hospital; not free to patients is my meaning. "




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An insider wrote on Jul 6, 2009 5:20 AM:

" @BaldJim>> The helicopter flight crew does indeed lease Dr. Cole's building right across the street from the E.R. The hospital does not own it; (in the past they had considered purchasing it for other indevours, but the amount he is asking for it is quite a large sum.) The helicopter company is independent just like the amulances and fire dept. (MMH doesn't lease or own their building either.) Once again, MMH does not employ them and they are basically a "parking lot" for them, but that provides both the helicopter and MMH revenue. "




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computer1 wrote on Jul 6, 2009 1:09 AM:

" well i think that the helicopter probably couldn't be stationed at the airport unless you want your medical staff to be stationed there to..... unless i'm mistaken there is medical personel on the flights??? "




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Again wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:32 AM:

" The hospital is not paying for the helo to be on the roof nor for the crew quarters. You don't have to call it "free", but i don't know what else to call it. "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 5, 2009 11:14 AM:

" @ anti pc,

"Cmon" made the comment I quoted.

I did not just fall off the turnip wagon from Colona, I was being sarcastic.

However, you are wrong! If the helicopter can't fly or isn't available, the MFPD is the back-up -- unless you wish to wait for the next available helicopter from where ever.

There is a connection. "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 4, 2009 2:02 PM:

" Bald Jim.... The helicopter is not to take the place of local ambulance calls. It has nothing to do with anything an ambulance for the MFPD would do. "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 4, 2009 1:57 PM:

" I believe the reason that you haven't heard it is because they are not training. The amount of flights lately has NOTHING to do with what will happen on a daily basis. "




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Luis wrote on Jul 4, 2009 12:54 PM:

" I had a heart attak in 2008, and I had to be flown to St. Mary's hospital in Grand Junction by helicopter. It makes a great difference when they can cut time by flying you there. I am thankkful that they could help me. As I underrstand, they are training the crew, so have a little patience with the helicopter here in Montrose. You might have to appreciate that the helicopter is close to you, if you ever need it. "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 4, 2009 9:44 AM:

" >Ambulances are only equipped to handle medical care to a certain level.<

And the helicopter is better equipped? Tell that to the MFPD. Perhaps the helicopter should take over all the ambulance runs the MFPD now does.

Who hauls the critically ill when the helicopter can't fly?

Finally, there is no "FREE" stuff going on here. "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 4, 2009 8:42 AM:

" I think the point about the copter being "stationed" at airport is that as needed it would fly to and from hospital. But flights to service and refuel would be eliminated. Also any flight where patient is picked up at accident for example and had to be taken directly to St. Mary's would not have to originate at or return to hospital. At least thats what I was thinking. I appreciate opportunity to be heard and think its getting better already. "




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Day lilly wrote on Jul 4, 2009 7:38 AM:

" We have lived near the hospital for many years and only heard the helicopter a few times per month. I have to say that for the last few weeks we have heard it several times per day. That DOES seem to be about thirty times more flights to us. However the last couple of days we have not heard it so often so maybe these comments are having the desired effect. We all pray for those in pain or danger-don't think we don't. We all live here so be considerate of each other. Thankyou. "




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Cmon wrote on Jul 3, 2009 10:44 PM:

" Continued..
the nearest hospital that can handle their situation. If there was a need for a helicopter to transport to begin with, obviously time is of value. Is it really that hard to be understanding of a little extra noise considering the situation??? Hear it, know what it is, and then forget about it. Why sit around and gripe?? "




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Cmon wrote on Jul 3, 2009 10:40 PM:

" The helicopter needs to be based at a medical facility, because often people who need to be transported cannot tolerate a lapse in more advanced medical care. Ambulances are only equipped to handle medical care to a certain level. In critical situations the helicopter needs to be right there to pick up and go, rather than an extra half hour of relocating. C'mon people! It just makes sense that you would pick up critically ill people at the hospital. Also-that you would deliver them to "




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Me wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM:

" We sat at the hospital while our friend was dying waiting for a helecopter,it was unavailable. By the time they tried to get a jet from Denver it was to late and he passed. For everyone that needs to be airlifted I am grateful. "




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Again wrote on Jul 3, 2009 6:42 PM:

" The new portion of the hospital was built with a helipad for this eventuality. There are NOT 20-30 times more flights than there was before. The board was given all this information regarding icing, stationing helo on roof, cost to hospital(none), renting of Dr. Coles office(done by Tri-state not the hospital). Please ask the hospital board your questions. That's what they are for. If they don't answer, ask the BOCC to appoint new members, or show up to one of the open meeting and ask questions directly to them. "




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Cruiser wrote on Jul 3, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Several people have asked about having the helicopter at the airport. I think it could be safer and just as fast. Is there a legal reason it can't at least be considered? "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 3, 2009 12:05 PM:

" We had at our disposal only the information provided by local newspaper. That turned out to be sorely lacking Was the Board given the same info? Did they know there was to be 20 or 30 times more flights than before? Did they ask about stationing copter at the airport? Is the training just about over? Your turn MMH... "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 AM:

" I live 3 airline blocks from MMH.

I expect an established flight path per wind direction to eliminate circling at low altitude. MMH's security force should provide radio confirmation of ground conditions.

I think there is an alternate landing zone on the Centennial Middle School athletic field (or should be).

I too am concerned about icing conditions during winter storms. "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 AM:

" @ MMH EMPLY, >with the hospital board. They are your representatives, the public could have come to any of the numerous meetings that discusssed this months ago.<

I didn't notice the topics as front page headlines; what of the o'clock are the meetings? Besides MMH doesn't offer free food & drink to the public who do attend. "




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BaldJim wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 AM:

" @An Insider, >they "lease" Dr. Cole's old office for their on call flight crew."<

Well that is interesting news. I was led to believe that they were to be lodged in unused space in the hospital itself - perhaps in the former CBI space.

Or is Dr. Cole's old building now owned by the Hospital? Which walnut shell is the money under? "




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For the children.. wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 AM:

" Maybe we should raise taxes on everyone to build a fire station on every corner just in case one of us has a house fire. Maybe we need to fund a coast guard station just in case global warming melts the ice caps and Montrose becomes a beach town...Just in case one of us starts to drown. Do it for the children, for God's sake !!
A helicopter at dinky MMH is overkill. Big boys with big loud toys is right. "




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tigger wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:03 AM:

" I agree with medic. People it is called progress. It's here to stay. I hope all the ones that are complaining are never in need of one. "




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MMH Emply wrote on Jul 2, 2009 5:59 PM:

" These issues were all discussed prior to the helo coming...with the hospital board. They are your representatives, the public could have come to any of the numerous meetings that discusssed this months ago. As far as training, the helo staff has been training in Arizona prior to here(quite a bit). They have to have a little(it's been very little)training in the region where they will work(common sense).Reationary is the public who are complaining without having taken advantage of their many opportunities to ask questions about the helo months ago when it was first in the paper. "




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True that wrote on Jul 2, 2009 11:25 AM:

" I think every one that is complaining about the helicoptor noise should sign a list. Then, when they are in need of critical care: MMH can check the list to see if they should send the helicoptor to pick them up or not. Lets hope you are not laying at the bottom of a canyon. "




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CITIZEN wrote on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM:

" Everybody needs to quit being so reactionary NOBODY wants to see somebody die due to lack of emergency care. But where is MMH administration in this discussion? Why wasn't this discussion had before making this change? Can the helicopter possibly be based at the county owned airport and be just as effective? Why wasn't training done someplace else before beginning OJT over our densely populated neighborhoods? What about icing in winter? What about St. Mary's chopper being unable to land because ours was in the way? MMH-where are you? "




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casper wrote on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 AM:

" "ARE YOU KIDDING ME" wow I just thout people were getting more and more selfish now im sure off.If this is a problem move to the woods Owait then you would complain about the bears and the dust from the gravel roads.Accidents dont stop at 9:00pm resume at 6:00 am just so you dont loose wink of sleep.Turn down the noise "WOW". "




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Laura wrote on Jul 2, 2009 8:39 AM:

" I can't even believe this conversation! Alan Bowers and too tired-you are selfish to say the least! Murph 2002-you obviously haven't received care in our hospital lately! You just might be impressed. I live within a block of the hospital, so it's to be expected that there will be noise from a helicopter. Get real!! If you don't like what you hear in your back yard-move your back yard. "




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medic wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 PM:

" in responce to the letter writter.. I am a EMT, and have gone through alot of training, for work in an ambulance, NOT in the air. It just isn't part of the training, so having training to be a flight medic is above our normal training. If your childs life hung in the balance, would you want a medic who has NEVER been in a helo, or trained in one, or one who has had alot of training? I would think you would want the VERY best for your child, which is what these people are trying to accomplish. "




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WHAT wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 PM:

" (cont) plus another 25 minutes back to GJ. Where having a helo in Montrose already, could have the same person in GJ in 35 minutes or so. If having it here saves even one life (maybe yours or your family) I think it is well worth the time and money! When it comes to saving a life why would anybody want to spare exspence? "




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WHAT wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM:

" residenr, i am curious how can you think having the helicopter here does NOT improve care? Have you ever heard of the golden hour? A patient has a MUCH higher chance of survival if they can be in surgery in less than an hour. So if you have a wreck at silverjack resv. It is atleast 30 minutes to get there by ambulance, than launch the helo at St. Marys they have 20 minutes to respond and 25 minute flight to montrose (cont) "




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Sheila-Nurse wrote on Jul 1, 2009 9:57 PM:

" We should all be praying for the people on the flight instead of complaining- MMH is an OUTSTANDING hospital and without them AND the EMT's, nurses and cardiologists along with Dr. Brezinsky, MY Dad would not be here today! Quit complaining and move if you have to...how about that for a solution?? I'm most sure they do not fly at 3am unless necessary! "




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Amber wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:14 PM:

" residenr(resident?) To say that montrose hospital does not need the flight for life is obsurd!!! Do you have any idea how many lives that has saved?? I normally have a lot of patience with people. I normally don't put anyone down for their opinion. But you are just wrong. To say that a life saving tool is just a ploy is just outright wrong and cruel. It has saved lives of skiiers in t-ride, hikers in the mountians, patients of surrounding hospitals, and not to mention my own child that was born 2 months premature. How dare you. "




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Steve Kirby wrote on Jul 1, 2009 7:48 PM:

" Come on people. Every time I hear a medical helicopter I say a prayer for whoever is in need and then I thank God for the wonderful dedicated professionals that choose to do such important work. I have felt this way since my son was the one in need of such life saving services and was flown to Denver. Seems like a little occasional noise is a small price to pay. Thank you to all the air crews! "




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medic wrote on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM:

" I suggest what a few of the others have said, if you hear the helicopter flying over head, instede of complaining, take a minute and say a prayer or two. One for the person who is in SERIOUS need of medical attention, one for the flight crew, who are truely risking their lives for others, and if you find the noise so disturbing, maybe you should pray for patience, and compassion! You could try asking that they "turn down" the helicopter noise but it will be a waste of time. "




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residenr wrote on Jul 1, 2009 3:13 PM:

" First off, Montrose does not need a helicopter. This is merely a business ploy and not something that will improve care. Yes helicopters are cool but they Are expensive, dangerous and noisy. It will take a lot of training to be on par with St Mary's team. "




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ALAN BOWERS wrote on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM:

" I am original letter writer. Everybody is in favor of saving lives. Unnecessary flights? Probably. Training flights? Shouldn't EMTs and pilots already be trained? More practical to fly out of airport instead of hospital? Possibly. We are still waiting to have this discussion with board and administration. We feel we are owed at least this courtesy. "




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jessica wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 PM:

" come on!! seriously??? my family is very grateful for the flight for life helicopter and the staff of the MMH. i lived two blocks from the hospital and if we heard it even late at night we knew someone was in trouble and was thankful that "noise "was helping someone. i am thankful they use checks to ensure their equipment is in 100% working condition. "




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Native wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM:

" God forbid you loose 10 minutes of sleep when someone is in risk of loosing their life or the life of a loved one. I almost had to use that chopper when I went in to pre-term labor 6 months into my pregnancy. How dare you act like you sleep is more important then a persons life. The life of my child!! I hear the chopper in the middle of the night and I pray for the people on it. I suggest others do the same. "




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Native wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM:

" I cannot believe people are complaining about a chopper meant to save lives!! My goodness people! Our hospital is not set up for many things that the junction and denver hospitals are, like premature babies. Things that are not cost effective for our hospital because of the low demand in our time. Should we spend the money or use resorces that are a short chopper ride away? "




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What wrote on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 AM:

" "If our medical facility had any skill flight for life would not be necessary." You've got to be kidding. Did you even read what you wrote before hitting enter? All hospitals need flight for life(except level one trauma centers which the flights are going to). It has nothing to do with our outstanding hospital. "Given up, and called the pros."? All hospitals transfer patients to other hospitals(yes, even St. Mary's)for specialized services that not every hospital can provide(due to size). "




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Down by the Hospital wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:18 AM:

" Does anyone know when this "training" will end? To tell you the truth I am glad to hear that there is at least the chance of the frequency of these flights abating. "




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whats it coming too wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:05 AM:

" Are you people for real...so All about yourself that you forget Life is a Short lived Gift, and anything that could exstend it longer should also be looked at as a gift.That helicopter will without question be the differance between life and death..........if it was the life of your loved one that it was flying for,would your complaining be as loud. Get over yourselves. when do we get Real ? is this really where you wanna spend your energy? "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 AM:

" Murph2002... The flight for life is not taking people from our hospital but is taking people to our hospital to get the emergency care that they need. These are people that live outside the Montrose city limits that the MMH is the closest hospital for them and a regular ambulance would be too slow to save them. "




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Short Stack wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 AM:

" "Gosh, I love having a helicopter, but the 3 am flights bother me....can they turn down the volume on the helicopter?"

Wake up! People need help at 3am! Can they quiet the bird down? NO! That noise keeps the helicopter from crashing into your house!

QUIT COMPLAINING MONTROSE!! "




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An Insider wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:41 AM:

" Before MMH had a helicopter, emergencies that occured in Durango, Gunnison, and places closer to MMH than to Saint Mary's, were picked up and flown to G.J. In addition, since they only had one helicopter; if it was out on a "case" and another came up somewhere else, the 2nd had to ride on an ambulance, wasting vital time and sometimes lives. They are "independently contracted", they are not employed by MMH, MMH does not "own" the helicopter, and they "lease" Dr. Cole's old office for their on call flight crew. "




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An Insider wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:28 AM:

" The new helicopter is not primarily to fly people OUT of Montrose to another facility. The helicopter, which is not owned by MMH, is like the ambulances and fire department; the hospital allows the helicopter a "space" to land on and "park" basically. Having the helicopter allows them to now fly people IN to MMH instead of by-passing MMH to head to Saint Mary's. They don't charge MMH and MMH does not charge them. A win win situation all around. "




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murph2002 wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 AM:

" If our local medical facility had any skill flight for life would not be necessary. This hospital time and time again has given up and called in the pros, but rest assured that you will get billed for that ability to give up and call for help.
Helicopter service is necessary, I agree, but an increase of this nature is unnecessary. "




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medic wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:31 PM:

" re: macho men, are you serious? You think having a flight for life in Montrose is just some small minded men wanting big toys? That is crazy! We obviousley have a need for it, or it wouldn't be here. God forbid you or your family ever need a helicopter, but if you do you will be VERY thankful that it is sitting right there waiting, with HIGHLY trained professionals on board. These guys are just training to save lives, quit complaining! "




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10.5 test wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:09 PM:

" no-so-final test "




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10.4 test wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:08 PM:

" final system test "




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Test2 wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 PM:

" This is only 2nd variation of the system check "




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test wrote on Jun 30, 2009 8:51 PM:

" This is a test post only. System Check "




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Macho macho men wrote on Jun 30, 2009 7:00 PM:

" Small minded men with big toys that make big noise. What a dumb waste of money... "




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Too tired wrote on Jun 30, 2009 3:08 PM:

" I couldn't find the original comments to this, and I am sorry if I am repeating what has already been said.

I appreciate the need for the helicopter and am grateful that the hospital has it. I live three blocks away from the hospital and am not bothered by the noise during the day. But when it returns at 3 am it is way too loud. It sounds like a freight train is going through my house, and the entire building shakes. Couldn't they do something about how loud it is? "




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