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   Sad situation. My Father in law whos 97 yrs old, WW2 hero fighter pilot, married 68 yrs.,4 wonderful childern, loving caring wife of 93 yrs recently was brought to hospital after a fall. Hes in the hospital 4 days and no doctor visited, just a nurse pratictioner, who stuck a cathater in,.no diagnosis or treatment.They want to stick him in a nursing home which from past experience with his sister is a horrible place to go and die, which i fear will happen and may be better than being treated so unhumanly, he desereves way better.

   Any health care plan scares me as it seems we all need some kind of medication of some sort, eaiser to drug than cure. Theres no choice of care or quality at all. Why cant we realize prevention thru nutrition and not be put on some drug with side effects worse than the benifits, how can billions be spent and this happens? I tell you its all about profit , where the money goes and to whom is much more important than compassion or whats right. What a shame to treat this wonderful man this way.

  I hope when the good lord calls me i fall beside my plow and not have to put up with a system like this. Obama, Bush, or who ever, its all about greed, hopefully someday we will as a nation wake up before its too late and revolt against the corruption and corprate control slowly sneaking in to take away whats right for WE THE PEOPLE!!!! My heart is broken and were hoping to find a beter way for this wonderful man who deserves much more than this. All those years married to his wonderful wife, hes been in a hospital only once prior to this, never smoked, drank modertaly, took care of himself and this happens how unfair, to be treated this way..So for me I will try to take care of myself by  eating whole organic foods growen by myself, prevention , thats my health care plan...Peaceoutchickenman

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JWeee wrote on Jul 26, 2009 7:52 PM:

" "anti pc" thank you for the source I will check it out. I know from several articles I've read that the congressmen and senators already have great healthcare... not to mention there usually rich. Hope there listening to the voters and doing there homework... "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:48 PM:

" I am not against healthcare reform. I just happen to believe at the moment we are going about it the wrong way. I think Safeway CEO Steven Burd is on the right track. They have kept their healthcare costs flat for the past 4 years. He had a opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal on June 12th. "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:39 PM:

" While of course it's only a draft but... if you can go online and read it for yourself at senate.gov. On page 115 starting at line 22 it specifically exempts them. As I said it's still a draft but it's there for all to see. "




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JWeee wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:52 AM:

" "Anti PC" I'm not sure what you're talking about as I haven't heard this... please elaborate.
Definitions: Universal healthcare - healthcare that is affordable and accessable to all. (is anyone arguing that this is not a good thing?)
Government healthcare - A healthcare system ran and operated by Federal or State Government. (Most of us can agree that this is probably not the best solution.)
... Just wanted to clarify! "




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anti pc wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:18 PM:

" If Universal healthcare is so good... why are the politicians exempting themselves from it for at least the first 5 years if not more? "




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k2d2 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:53 AM:

" The healthcare in this country is out of control. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for dr's making money, med school is outrageously expensive. However, the HMO's and insurance companies are scammers and liars that want nothing more than to make money at the cost of people's health. Every other civilized nation has global healthcare. Maybe if college was less expensive, the money grab after would be less detrimental. This country needs to get its butt in gear and start getting something out of the taxes we pay. "




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Grateful wrote on Jul 19, 2009 9:03 PM:

" My grand-mother was in the hospital for 5 days (MMH), and she recieved excellent care from every department and was seen by 1 to 2 Doctors daily. We also had a family member there at all times because ultimately its our responsibilty to care for her. Sounds to me that the family in this article needs to take more resposibility rather to blame others. "




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out of towner wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:39 PM:

" My dad was in MMH this spring in the ICU and never had I seen such hospital excellency (doctors, nurses, housekeeping crew, etc). When his hospital stay was up, my only wish was that I could bring the hospital to Denver; It tops any of the 3 hospitIals I have been a patient. At any rate, if a patient familly has any issue at any time while their famiily member is hospitalized, they should call the hospital administrator or other top management who would handle the problem immediately. It's never to late to call. "




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Call Now wrote on Jul 17, 2009 6:20 PM:

" Call your own doctor to the hospital, you have that right. When he is released, take him into your own home and care for him yourself. It isn't the governments job. Yes, the health care here needs improvement, but wait until we have universal health care. It will make the care today look wonderful. As far as paying into Medicare and Medicaid, you don't pay into Medicaid. It is a welfare/social service program. You pay into Medicare. Is he indigent? Then he would have both. "




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JWeee wrote on Jul 17, 2009 4:27 PM:

" Don't missunderstand that I think this is the only problem... just a big part of it. Also, this article is not the only resource I've checked into on the subject. Just a great, well written, well researched article on the subject... "




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JWeee wrote on Jul 17, 2009 4:21 PM:

" The referenced article explains the difference between the highest cost city in US's healthcare system (McAllen, TX) and lowest cost (Mayo Clinic, in Minnesota and St. Mary's GJ). It comes to the conclusion that much of the problem is due to the medical culture. For example, ordering tests, perscriptions, etc. that are not needed because the docs will get kick backs from the various providers. Maybe it's just me, but that's ridiculous. "




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JWeee wrote on Jul 17, 2009 3:18 PM:

" "Whatever" My profession and the company I work for do not create a conflict between doing what is right for my customers and making more money... This is my point and the point of the referenced article. Please read this then comment, it's a real eye opener. I worked my but off through college, was in debt, and have paid it off. I never said docs should work for free, just that this conflict should not exist... are you arguing with that? "




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Whatever wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Jweee,

Doctors (like any person with a job) are there to earn a living. Your post implies that it’s morally wrong for them to be “for-profit.” But my guess is, when you go to work, you expect to be paid. Why should doctors not be allowed the same (especially after the years of personal sacrifice, education and outrageous costs, typically over $200,000 just for med school)?

Let’s see, give up a part of your life for education, go into massive debt, and then work for free!? Please lead by example, Jweee… "




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Doctors Care wrote on Jul 17, 2009 12:36 PM:

" Doc Cares! Taken the time and effort for him to know me and my family. LAWYERS! ~ have been beating the Big "C" out of Docs & our Medical System for decades... Lawyers like John Edwards! (Look at Life-Style, and his morals... and YOU HAVE THE ANSWER. Add GREEDY Law-Makers and You've got a Clearer Vision of the Situation). 'Look For the Money 'to find the cause.... We love our Doctors. We don't much like THESE Lawyers or Legislators. We've just seen to The Care of an 95year Old Aunt...right through her death! "




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Good Grief wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:09 AM:

" Confused, I have to agree with you on the not being seen by a doctor part. What hospital is this? At every hospital I have worked at the point is to get the person in and out as quick as possible (it's all about turnover and number of beds). Obviously this one hospital has a different plan, admit people WITHOUT a doctor's authorization and then just let them sit and suffer in a room forever while the family does nothing. Strange. I bet organic foods would cure this problem though! "




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Confused wrote on Jul 16, 2009 10:27 PM:

" Chickenman,

I have a life, thank you! You specifically stated that he was in the hospital for 4 days and had not been seen by a doctor. Which just amazes me seeing how one usually must be seen by one to be admitted into said hospital. Then you go into your typical organic foods routine. Maybe it is not I who needs to get a life? There are other things out there besides organic foods! "




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Chickenman wrote on Jul 16, 2009 7:13 PM:

" No Plan... Your comments dont even faze me whatsoever... I feel sorry for someone like you who does not even know me and chooses to judge. Confused get a life, the fact is we were all over this situation and we dont expect a handout from anybody, we can and do take care of our own, again my point is they payed for care many years and recieved way subatanard treatment....PEACEoutchickenman "




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JWeee wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM:

" To all... Obviously our healthcare is crap. I read an article in the New Yorker recently called "The Cost Conundrum" dated 6/1/09... check it out (I've read others but this is a good one). Seems there is a contradiction between many docs running a for profit business and providing proper health care. ex. not needed tests for those with insurance. Or providing the lowest level of care to those who can't afford it. Make more money or addequately help people? Is this a question docs should be asking themselves? "




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Confused wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:23 PM:

" Where is he that he can't see a doctor? And why are you not raising holy heck instead of posting on an online newspaper? My kid gets a cut (needing a few stitches), even without insurance, and they can see a doctor (yes, a real live one) at the emergency room in under an hour (and usually quicker than that). Sorry, I just don't get how he could be in a hospital for 4 days and not see a doctor... or is this just your way of promoting organic foods (like you have in other posts)? "




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NO PLAN wrote on Jul 15, 2009 5:48 PM:

" I thought your health care plan was to smoke pot, be a doper, but oh yes, that's so you aren't an alcoholic. Using alcoholic and/or drugs is not a health care plan, but a plan for destruction. "




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concerned res wrote on Jul 15, 2009 4:03 PM:

" Chickenman,
The point that I was making was that you seem upset that they are recommending that he get put in a nursing home and my reply to you was "why don't you take care of this veteran". And Yes, I agree with you that health care is a joke and it's only going to get worse with obamas socialized medicine. "




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Why not wrote on Jul 15, 2009 1:50 PM:

" With Obamacare you will see real rationing. First the elderly, then the disabled, followed closely by the newborns. Sorry that your father-in-law is having a bad experience, I have had good and bad health care. It isn't the governments or the insurance job to decide where your father-in-law goes now. That is up to the family...which means you, and the doctor. In the olden days, families took care of each other. Have you called a doctor for this man? If not, why not? You are complaining, but not taking any responsibility. "




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chickenman wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:45 AM:

" I think my point here is we are paying for so called health care and getting ripped off by both private insurance and govt., their bottom line is get it done cheaply, and in most cases not in the best intrest of the people needing quality care. Another thought, what about those folks who have no one to take care of them, regardless were all human and deserve adequate humane care in later years, again we pay into the system many years and when needed its difficult or impossible to get decent care....Peaceoutchickenman "




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Family Guy wrote on Jul 15, 2009 4:11 AM:

" Your Father should be glad you are there; thats what families are for. We should not look to Government for health care any more than we should drop our kids off at school and hope they get a good education. A little off the point maybe but we must all take responsibility for our futures. "




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Chickenman wrote on Jul 14, 2009 8:07 PM:

" Concerned... Did you read my post? If you did I said we were hoping to find a better way for this wonderful person who gave much more to society than he took. To make him wait to be seen by a doctor is a shame, lest you forget they do pay thousands pay to medicare,medicade, and this what they get? So dont be so quick to judge, once again it seems you dont know the facts and are more judgemental than really concerened.....Peaceoutchickenman "




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Sandra Maurel wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:15 PM:

" That's par for the course these days.
We should all pray we die while we sleep.
Was a nurse for 26 years,, saw ALOT OF changes, not for the good.
Just pray and make out a living will. Once you get a certain age you becom just something nonhuman. When our elder couldn't care for them selves we cared for them till the end. MEDICINE IS A BUSINESS, SO MONEY IS INVOLIED, AND THAT MEANS GREED, JUST GOOD OLD FROM #@%l GREED "




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concerned res wrote on Jul 14, 2009 10:49 AM:

" To Chickenman,
If you are so concerned about this couples well being then why don't you take him in to your home and care for him. You are correct in saying that this WWII vet deserves better, but only his immediate family can provide the daily assistance that he needs if you're not willing to put him in a nursing home. "




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